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For those of you that don’t get to the PPP forum much, I was there today to see what was going on over the weekend. I made a post awhile back about the new forum for posties located at postie.us that had been started because the person was outraged that his topic had been locked and I even talked myself into registering with them because it seemed like a nice open place that people would feel welcome to join in if they wanted to.

I really haven’t seen any unpleasantness to mention and I haven’t seen anything negative or untoward against PPP that hadn’t already been mentioned at PPP’s forum and they seem to have a policy of not locking threads just because they can. I will say right now that I disagree with the way the new forum administrator has conducted himself at the PPP forum since starting his forum. The way he has gone about advertising his forum on PPP is something I wouldn’t have done.

I see that a new PPP forum is in the works with plans to train moderators and hopefully compensate them for their time and trouble and this has been one very good thing to come from the postie forum upstart and other bloggers staying away from PPP forums because they really did feel uncomfortable there. This change is very much welcomed and I look forward to it. I hate feeling oppressed and that is how I have felt since joining there, although recently I have tried making a comment here and there.

The thread that caught my eye was one that had already been locked by a moderator, but was reopened by Ted Murphy today Mar.2nd because he chose to make a statement and then the thread will be deleted tomorrow. PPP even let Postie.us give opps for their forum in the marketplace, but now say they have to do PPP direct, of course I don’t understand the reasoning there. If I was going to limit them then I would have just refused their business to start with.

This is what Ted had to say:

I would like to leave my opinion on the existence of Posties.us. I have already acknowledged that we have had some problems on the PPP boards. That is something that we are currently working to fix. As a follow up to my blog posting I want to state here that the changes we are making are in no way the result of one moderator or user, rather the boards as a whole.

Our moderators have been AWESOME to us and I can’t thank them enough.Whether they have been IZEA employees or Posties I believe that everyone has always done their best to preserve and promote the community in a constructive way. I can’t say the same for the existence of Posties.us.

The fact that Posties.us is buying PPP related Google keywords with a negative slant makes me view these boards as hostile and competitive rather than constructive and additive. This practice is detrimental to the PPP brand and in no way helps this community or our company grow.

Every click that goes to Posties.us is a click that could have been an advertiser depositing money and creating more Opps for you. I appreciate feedback, I even appreciate rants. But if the true goal is to help rather than hurt this community the tactics need to be seriously reconsidered.
This thread will be removed tomorrow.
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Ted

I really have to agree with a lot of what Ted said and I like making money with PPP. There was an answer from macewan, the administrator of the other board because he wanted to get his point of view across before the thread disappears and that follows. Everything in italics is used as a quote and answered to by macewan

macewan: Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: Ted that’s a pathetic response.

murphman wrote: Our moderators have been AWESOME to us and I can’t thank them enough. Whether they have been IZEA employees or Posties I believe that everyone has always done their best to preserve and promote the community in a constructive way.

macewan: If this is the case then you haven’t been paying enough attention to these boards.

murphman wrote: I can’t say the same for the existence of Posties.us.

macewan: u should spend more time reading the content of them than knee jerking to an Adwords campaign.Seriously,TechCrunch says people are selling their souls if they join PayPerPost.

murphman wrote: The fact that Posties.us is buying PPP related Google keywords with a negative slant makes me view these boards as hostile and competitive rather than constructive and additive.

macewan: OK, keywords along the lines of “loss of PR discussion”? If you really meant this then the discussion of PR loss on these boards would have justified their closure long ago. What he is doing here is setting up his reasoning for the next few flawed arguments.

murphman wrote: This practice is detrimental to the PPP brand and in no way helps this community or our company grow.

macewan: Maybe I’m going out on a limb here, but ignoring the lost PR shell shocked posties during the months of December, January and February was detrimental to the PPP brand. After all we are bloggers – we blog about things on our mind. pBderrr – don’t need a marketing analyst to come to that conclusion.

murphman wrote: Every click that goes to Posties.us is a click that could have been an advertiser depositing money and creating more Opps for you.

macewan: See folks this was what the flawed comment was leading to all along. Beside being a flat out lie it only goes to show how little he pays attention to posties to begin with. There are no opps for them Ted. Seriously, go look for your self.

(Inserted to clarify by me, I’m sure Ted meant when someone clicks on the postie.us ad instead of PPP ad it might have been an advertiser that might have been ready to pay for a campaign on PayPerPost for the posties not that he thought postie.us was offering paid post opps for bloggers to do.)

murphman wrote: I appreciate feedback, I even appreciate rants. But if the true goal is to help rather than hurt this community the tactics need to be seriously reconsidered.

macewan: The goal was to have our voices heard without being shouted down on these forums. Again, please don’t try silly misleading posts like this. We both know you are misleading folks as you build up to the new forum at Izea.

You know and now posties will know that Izea was invited to have mods at posties.us so keep things fair.There are lots of people that count on you, but you need to be truthful to yourself before you can be truthful to them.

murphman wrote: This thread will be removed tomorrow.

macewan: I’m sure we all expected no less. Rolling Eyes.

I’ll be posting the content of that Adword campaign so folks can judge for themselves just how bad they were. Since they will not have a chance, once again, to voice their opinions here they’ll know where to go.
cheers,
macewan
ps – this is the ad

I cropped the picture above because I didn’t want the whole large graphic on my blog and just to sum this up for myself. I’m really not quite sure what I think about that whole confrontation except to say that apparently macewan made good money before the Google slap and it seems like he jabs at PPP every chance he gets now. There does seem to be a lot of confrontation between this postie and many others.

I have to say honestly that I think they should have gotten together privately and discussed their differences instead of airing this in a public forum. If it was my forum and someone said some of the things macewan has said I would have banned him, but of course I’m menopausal so I don’t always think straight, but since they did make it public and it will disappear tomorrow I decided to post my thoughts here.

If Ted hadn’t reopened that can of beans on a closed thread then macewan wouldn’t have had the chance for rebuttal. As far as postie.us being any kind of competition, I really don’t see that happening and especially with a revised forum coming from Payperpost that everyone can feel comfortable hanging out at.